In this special episode 50 of the Trust Psyche Podcast, Travis DiRuzza, PhD and Jessica DiRuzza, MFT dive into a two-hour, long-form conversation, inviting listeners into an intimate dialogue that originally unfolded as their own date night—an unedited, living exchange where relationship itself becomes the vessel for depth psychology, astrology, and the question of and quest for meaning-making.

Margaret Magnus’s phonetic work lays the fertile ground for this conversation between letters and planets, and between material reality and the numinous realm. Guided by the archetypes of consonant sound—such as the beginnings of B, the power of P, and the virtue of V—this episode explores the Saturn–Neptune complex as it lives in psyche, culture, and cosmology. Topics include masculine and feminine dynamics, the patriarchy, social justice, neurodiversity, solar returns, Plato, and lived relational experience.